Sucking, Simplicity, & Selling: The Truth Behind the Relaunch of EPW

Guest Post by Ken Moorhead

I was bitten by the writing bug this week. I wasn’t sure what I needed to say, but I knew I needed to say something. I wrote nothingness for a while and finally hit a nerve with this…

What’s been going on behind the scenes with all these changes around ElizabethPW.com?

Elizabeth told me, “write what everyone thinks and no one says.” Speaking what everyone thinks and no one says is typically easy for me – especially with EPW.

There’s no humble way to say I was the catalyst for a lot of the changes that have occurred with ElizabethPW.com lately and the way Elizabeth does her business. I scrutinized everything she did, drilled her on why she did it that way, and in many cases told her she was going about this absolutely wrong. I wanted to take the opportunity to bring you all up to speed on what’s been happening because we’re going to kick into high gear this summer and involve you all more.

In a few months time, I’ve observed a lot, asked a lot of questions and pushed Elizabeth to justify a lot of the how’s and why’s of her business methods. A few things from the pre-Ken Moorhead era have stuck – obviously the core EPW brand has been preserved (something I may have obsessed over more than Elizabeth at times). But there are a lot of changes that I’ve driven and insisted upon…

New website design and functionality

“So, Elizabeth… I’m looking at your website and… what exactly is it that you do?”

Fifteen words into our first phone call, EPW and I realized there was probably a lot more work to do than we expected. Elizabeth had one strong feature on her old website – she made it easy to convert people to her newsletter. Getting people to opt-in and give permission to market to them is huge, and Elizabeth WAS (and still is!) doing this very well.

But, to be frank, everything else sucked. There was too much going on, and it was absolutely impossible to buy (or even figure out if you COULD buy) anything from ElizabethPW.com. Why? Because Elizabeth had always made the sale on a separate website. Unless you *happened* to catch a post where she linked directly to it (unlikely on most days) there was pretty much a guarantee that no sales would occur from anyone who landed on the webpage.

I insisted on a simplified frontpage – the homepage should *always* be designed for the first time visitor. Before, the user was presented with seventeen (SEVENTEEN!!!) recent blog posts, a smattering of worthless (and often broken) sidebar widgets. Now with a slick above-the-fold slideshow, everything a first time user needs is handed to them and easy to navigate.

What’s more, I insisted she pitch her programs above the fold. Now, the first time you land on ElizabethPW.com, you can find out in under three minutes what EPW does and, more importantly, what she can do to help you.

No more longform sales letters

I was honestly baffled that this was Elizabeth’s sales model. Ridiculously long copy, backstory of everything behind the product, dozens of bullet points and numbered items… all of it just creating tons of opportunity for potential customers to throw their hands up in the air and leave the page. This is particular to me, but my take is that if you can’t sell me your product in four sentences or less and give me the opportunity to buy, there’s something wrong with your product. No sale should need that level of persuasion before making an attempt to close.

Now, Elizabeth’s programs leverage her videos AND her branding. 3DaysToVideo.com (you can get there directly from ElizabethPW.com now!) was our first test of this. It uses the same design as the website, so everything’s familiar. The content is organized above the fold (see a theme?) and on every pane of the slideshow — you can buy! Hopefully fewer users feel overwhelmed by this presentation. I grilled Elizabeth for hours (just prior to the launch…ugh. That was a night.) and fought her on the length of the copy for this. I think we’re both happier with the flow of this approach and I suspect that the analytics reinforce the decision through longer on-site times and lower bounce rates.

More community involvement

Elizabeth does a lot of things well, but one of her downfalls is her insistence on always going it alone. You all comprise one of the best, most engaged communities on the web. The recent flood of guest posts wasn’t a sudden move, it was calculated strategically. EPW can only say so much before her voice gives out, and more importantly, before people stop listening. There’s been a steady trend of the growth of this community leveling off recently – she needs to rely on others to help spread the Live Your Truth message.

Guest posts are great for any blog - the guests are going to drive their subscribers to check out the post, and fresh eyes means new opportunities. It also lessens the content creation burden with multiple people contributing – EPW can spend more time per post and produce higher quality content. AND she has time to network more through guest posts on other blogs. I can’t think of ANY drawbacks to inviting guest posts, and encourage everyone to pursue it for their own blogs NOW.

Harder deadlines and less stress

Like anyone else, Elizabeth obsesses over perfecting things before pushing them to production. But that is a terrible way to build a business, especially an internet business. I let her slide on a few deadlines, but on others (like 3DaysToVideo.com) I pushed for it to go live and fix it after the fact.

Striving for perfection is admirable, but the returns on time spent for a 2% improvement when the project is already at 93%… just publish the damn thing already. You’re never going to be fully happy with it and no one’s going to know the difference, so just push it live and roll with it. What you really need is user feedback anyway, not the pride of seeing a plan completed perfectly.

Selling the click in an email instead of the product

This is one of the most recent items. Within the past two weeks I was talking with Elizabeth and remarked that I never read her newsletters anymore. A small part of this is because I’m constantly aware of what’s happening, typically before anyone else. The larger part of this (and the problem) was that the emails were too freaking long. Epic blog posts unto themselves. Longwinded content that exhausted the reader.

The mere mention of this set off the lightbulb for EPW that email newsletters are about selling the link back to the content and not about selling the content itself. Already she’s seen better activity on her emails and actually an increase in subscribers by changing the messaging from “I’m doing things X, Y and Z this week. X is starting on this day and will cost…” to “Check out this blog post on what I’m up to!”

There are more changes coming for EPW and the LYT community.

Elizabeth & I are very excited because there are some great growth opportunities ahead. I’m off the payroll but I’m still heavily involved with the goals and strategies around here; we talk constantly about what’s going on and how to approach situations as they arise. I hope you’re excited to be a part of this tribe – you’re going to be called on in the near future to get active and bring new people in to be a part of this experience!

About Ken Moorhead: When not yelling at EPW via skype, text, and telephone, Ken works in sales & analysis for social media startup Compendium in Indianapolis, Indiana. He’s 23, an MBA student, a cocktail blogger, has a degree in physics, did research for NASA, can drink EPW under the table, and claims to be both a hustler and a baller. Find Ken sharing social media & business resources, opinions, snark, and awesome yet occasionally inappropriate conversation on twitter at @KenMoorhead. (disclosure: this bio was written by EPW. #thatisall).

Related posts:

  1. Behind the ReLaunch of ElizabethPottsWeinstein.com
  2. I’m Not Sorry About Selling.
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  4. Finding Your Irresistible Truth
  5. Live Your Truth Principle #3: Nurture Your Community

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  • I second that Allison! I do think we could all use a Ken Moorhead! Great to hear more from you behind the scenes Ken! You both make a great team! ;)
  • THANK GOODNESS - first off.

    Even though I've been a follower for a while, love the tweets and #lytchat, all I wanted to do was call up Elizabeth and ask "what do you do?" I almost did it - but I couldn't find a phone number on her contact page. I've paid attention as much as I could and love what I've seen, so it truly was bugging me that it wasn't crystal clear what someone as fabulous as Elizabeth was actually doing.


    Second - I'M SICK OF LONG SALES PAGES AND WISH PEOPLE WOULD GET RID OF THEM!!! Sorry for the caps, but that's how I say it when I'm talking about them out loud (which is often these days). LOVE EPW, but I always thought "why does SHE of all people have one of those god-awful sales pages?"

    I'm glad the two of you are working together to make the brand even stronger so that more people can learn about EPW and how AWESOME she is!
  • There was a lot of insight in this post. It gives me a lot to think about for the future. And definitely the EPW community seems very tight.
  • nancymyrland
    Ken and Elizabeth, I'm very proud to see one of our own from Indianapolis & Compendium behind this post! It's outstanding to learn exactly what you do at Compendium, and fun to learn more about what is making Elizabeth...well, Elizabeth! Thanks so much for sharing all of this substantial information!
  • Hey, a fellow Hoosier! Hi there, Nancy!

    This is actually completely outside the scope of what I do for Compendium - I only started working there within the past month, and actually left my work with EPW in order to take that position.

    To describe my position with Compendium would take a lot of time and confuse more than clarify... that's just the nature of a tech startup! I have the opportunity to get my hands dirty on a number of projects across different departments (which I love!), but my formal "work for hire" role puts me in sales support.

    Leaving EPW for Compendium was difficult, Elizabeth and I had a few long phone calls about it. We both knew it was a great opportunity for me and the right move for me for a number of reasons, but I had some trouble feeling like I was almost "abandoning" her so soon after we started working together and really getting rolling on stuff. Thankfully, Elizabeth was totally understanding and supportive - she jokes about me leaving to take a "day job" but knows as well as anyone how great of a fit my work with Compendium is for me, and the future opportunities it will afford me :)
  • lipdesign
    Can I adopt you, Ken? Mama needs some ass kicking and fine bourbon cocktails...

    All kidding aside, I love what you've done for EPW (and vice versa), and thrilled that you continue to support her and the tribe. You truly have a gift. A gift that I hope you continue to nurture and grow into your own empire ... on YOUR terms.
  • I just realized this is like, the second longest piece of content I've posted on the internet in the past year. The longest was a lengthy tirade about my views on whether or not I would promote Bacardi rum.

    For the record, I in no way recommend Bacardi. Fantastic marketing, terrible product. Go buy Mount Gay Eclipse rums instead. ;)
  • I love what you said, what you did and the things you said... EPW does rock :)

    But honestly, what I came away from that post was - You are 23?? and that secure and that 'air-tight' - can I just say WOW.
  • :) Thanks Shelly!

    I'm still learning a lot, each and every day. I'm thankful to have friends like EPW who give me the chance to apply it someplace where the impact will be more clear than if I were doing this on my own at a smaller scale.
  • Good stuff, The simplicity and directness is great, and I applaud what you've jumped into here.

    And a cautionary note.

    It totally depends on your market, of course, but there are tons of people who don't live online. People who come on line, but don't live there. The short content, quick link, four-sentence thing works well for certain personalities, and certain demographics.

    And for others, less well.

    For instance, if I came across a sales page that had four sentences in it and a significant price tag, there's no way I would buy. I need more information, more story, more understanding. Maybe you don't need 20 pages, but it's worth it to pay attention to the different types of people and the ways they like to communicate.

    You might want to dig into the Enneagram, or other personality-typing system, to understand the different worldviews people carry, and what they need to feel connected. Some people need stats. Some people need story. Some people need testimonials. Some people need descriptions. Some people need several of these. Some people want bullet points.

    It all adds up to more than four sentences.

    And some people like to read the email, and are annoyed that they have to click through to the content. They like the option, but don't want to have to all the time.

    Just a thought.
  • reese
    Hi Mark,
    I wonder if here would be an appropriate place for targeted landings.
    E.g. if from twitter, use short form. If naked (no referral except google or non referral) show long form.

    When we did Chris G's recent sales pages (e.g. for empire builder) the long form felt like a burden to me. yet Chris knew people need info to make a decision. So we came up with the tabbed system as a happy medium,. less overwhelming than a crazy long sales letter, yet it's all there to digest if need be. I find alternative sales pages fascinating...have you seen any interesting ones out there?
  • How do you DO that? Is it some awesome clever designer trick or something that *ahem* ordinary people can use?
  • I love this, too, Reese, about targeted landings. And let me just say for the record that I'm completely in love with how you did the empire builder sales page. Definitely going to steal... er... rip off... er... be "inspired" by what you did. ;)

    I'm excited myself about how new web technology can give us the ability to organize information so much more easily than was possible even just two or three years ago.
  • reese
    yeah, I got my eye on you now, mister.
  • lipdesign
    Reese, that sales page you designed was not only effective but absolutely GORGEOUS. Well done!
  • reese
    oh, thank you! :) *blush*
  • Thanks for the feedback Mark, I really appreciate because you've raised some great points I didn't do such a good job of clarifying in the post.

    First - what I've outlined above with EPW is what fits best with her particular situation and historical customers. By no means is this the be-all, end-all, and it would horribly foolish of me to attempt to present it as such.

    Everything I recommended to Elizabeth was based on our first few conversations which centered around her overall vision, goals, values and branding. We formed a strategy aligned to that, and then selected tactics we felt were appropriate to execute the strategy and subsequently achieve the goals. The fact of the matter is that the sales side of things needed a huge overhaul. The benefit we had going into it is that EPW has a loyal base that's going to tolerate (and encourage!) experimentation as we refine the approach. There's still a lot of work to do, but now that we have an overall vision in mind, we can tailor the path along the way and maintain alignment.

    Second - you bring up a great point about tailoring the sales approach to what the consumer needs in the decision making process. I should clarify better that EPW really hasn't changed the content of her sales pages - she's organized that same content into easier to digest chapters. I drilled Elizabeth on distilling her sales copy down to be more impactful, but all the information that was in the original (boring, longwinded) sales letter version is still contained in the new presentation.

    And that was the big theme of the design overhauls: Logical, easy to consume presentation. Elizabeth isn't creating less content, she's creating better content and presenting it more effectively. The goal is to provide the user with all the information they need but keep what they would consider extraneous out of the way.

    I'm definitely NOT going to spend a few hundred dollars on four bullet points - I've spent three years shopping around for a suitable pair of casual black shoes (true story. I loathe the day Børn ceased making a particular style). I'm all about doing my homework before clicking "buy." But I'm also big on not wasting time - if your product can't capture my attention and compel me to learn more in those first four sentences, you're never going to make the sale.

    Hopefully we've succeeded in giving the user all of the information they could need to make a decision, but have presented it in a way that *invites* them into being ready for the sale instead of hammering point after belabouring point.


    And for the email... EPW and I still disagree on it a bit, she leans a little more toward your side. You'll notice above that the weekly newsletter is going to stay as a longer form. I'm not *thrilled* about it but it's a compromise I'm content to live with. EPW maintains several email lists for numerous reasons (don't get me started) and where this paring down to "just sell the click" is happening is in the shorter updates she sends out on other days through the week to drive traffic to specific areas of interest.

    Thanks so much for raising your points Mark, you've brought up some excellent thoughts and I appreciate the opportunity to clarify what I may have left unclear in the post :)
  • I love what you wrote here- thanks for the explanations, and that pretty much clears up all of my cautionary thoughts. I know that our own site is badly in need of a content/ease overhaul- but you'll have to forgive me being a dinosaur, since I've been messing around with websites and our business since 1999- there's been a lot of changes. :)

    So, definitely inspiring. And thanks for posting such a long piece of content. I read it all the through, and enjoyed every word. :)
  • That is a good thought for sure I think!
  • Oh Mark, thank you for putting this in here. I'm finishing off a sales page for my first big product and because it's about fear-management I decided to write as much as I needed to make the reader feel safe enough to buy. Darn thing is nearly 3,000 words already!

    I had the "Oh, is that overkill?" quaver going on, but now I'm reassured. Different products and audiences have different needs.
  • You're right Catherine! I don't think 3,000 words is too much (okay, *I* do, but I don't think it's automatically bad to have that much copy. I'm also notoriously lazy) - I would just encourage you to prioritize your information and set up the presentation in an easy, navigable fashion that doesn't *force* the user to read all the way to word 3,000 before buying (this was the problem EPW had).


    Alternatively, you could just load up "Africa" by Toto to play in the background ;)
  • Yes, I've been giving that some thought. I think Question the Rules did that very cleverly.

    Also, one day I am going to murder you and they'll never find the body.

    Aaaaaaaaaafricaaaaaaaaaaaaa
  • Thanks so much for the kind feedback, everyone! I'm looking forward to making a posts here a bit more regularly to talk about what's going on behind the scenes.
  • Awesome! Thanks for the peek under the kimono! Ken is clearly a wise ol' young guy!!

    Question: I noticed on your "video" sales page, there was no link back to your main site (at least I did not see it). Is that on purpose? I've always wondered about that -- what if someone came across that sales page first and never got to go see what else you offered? Or maybe I'm missing some critical point?
  • Wow! I can't believe EPW & I missed this. You're absolutely right, Martha: There should be a clear opportunity to link back to ElizabethPW.com. I think EPW and I just assumed people would navigate to the page *from* ElizabethPW.com ... but that's a bad assumption to make!
  • Well, I have seen this done on many sales pages -- they are completely stand-alone, with no links out. But sometimes I may not be ready to buy, but the offer sounds intriguing and I want to check out what else this person/company offers & is like. If I'm determined enough, I can google, etc. But usually I just go away and have not then become part of that entrepreneur's community.

    Anyway... I think this new sales page you've done with EPW is great! I love the short bites with options to click around and get more if I need it. Bravo!
  • Hi Elizabeth,
    newby here, I just watched your 5 video marketing secrets video on http://mirkogosch.com/.
    Great, really helpful content, I've made a few video's but only ever posteed one, other than camtasia screen capture video's, but to be honest they're dull as dishwater. I have been enlightened to the errors of my ways.
    Thank you.
    Tony
  • Tony - thanks so much for reading, and I'm glad you enjoyed that video & got so much out of it!

    As I said in that post, yes, energy is everything! :)

    Hope the next one goes well

    ~ Elizabeth
  • I always love these "behind the scenes" looks... and holy crap I didn't know Ken was 23?! Now I feel old. Well, not really, but it's quite awesome to see this type of advice from him. :)

    Definitely getting my head around what the newsletter is for... and I've been meaning to do it for awhile but I'm thinking of just ditching the design side of my newsletter and just going for plain text. *gasp*
  • Yes, when I switched to plain text some months ago, it was so great - partially b/c it was super easy / fast to get my emails out! But also because they inherently are more casual, more me, more personal.

    My weekly email that goes out on mondays is still kind of newsletter-y - it has sections, tons of links & resources, and is pretty long - but it is in text format and is much more casual (and more *me*).

    The biggest change recently is my solo email blasts (and the "note from me" section at the beginning of my email newsletter) are short. Not trying to make the sale or whatever, but just selling the click through to the thing (blog post, sales site, whatever).

    (and, yes, can you believe Ken is 23? dude!)
  • reese
    I got this plain text email today from Sonia Simone...it was clearly part of her mailing list, and yet it felt so PERSONAL. and so not marketed. I loved it! So, although you'll hear me praising the power of the design from the rafters, I think there is also a time and place to strip it all down and just get the damn message out. It can feel more real, less canned, and I dare say may convert better.
  • Mostly I've found that the people I know in their early 20s are sharper than me, more mature than me, and nicer than me.
  • Are you going to Blogworld in Vegas? I'm totally serious about getting a group to watch Star Trek II.
  • I just might go...but do I have to actually watch the speakers? Or can I just hang out with the cool kids? And if I do go, YES I am so in for ST2.
  • I plan on catching a few speakers but otherwise just rolling with an entourage
  • meganmatthieson
    Ken no bs Moorhead. I'm sitting here smiling, of course. Sometimes in life you are lucky enough to get the shit kicked out of you by, you know...the truth. Hurts so good.
  • Don't let Megan fool you, she's got plenty of tricks up her sleeve and has barely gotten started. :)
  • The truth always finds you doesn't it!? :)
  • reese
    This was amazingly motivational & generous of Ken. I feel both sheepish AND driven now.
  • Now *I* feel sheepish...
  • reese
    Oh please don't. I am prone to sheepishness. It's a natural state of my being. I see what the rest of the world does, and it sometimes makes me want to throw up my hands and say "too many miles to go before I sleep" :)
  • Ken - Thank you so much for all of the above plus every other way you've helped & supported me this year. You're absolutely amazing and I can always trust you to call me on my bullshit & tell me what I need to hear (but don't necessarily want to hear) & give me your total honest (sometimes brutal) opinion. Thank you. #thatisnotall #butthatisalliamsayinghere
    ~ Elizabeth
  • Awesome stuff! Perhaps we all need a Ken Moorhead?!
    :)
    ~ Alli
  • You're all too kind, thank you! :)
  • I definitely need a Ken!
  • I keep telling him he could make a business out of this stuff ... but he went and got a job. I suspect we'll get him to be an entrepreneur in the end ... ;-)
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